[ST] Hygiene Ninja (Forwarded)

Wed Jan 17 07:30:43 EST 2007

Hi there,

While I completely agree with the sentiments that this was an
over-reaction, and that nobody should be holding Collette
responsible, and even that Arisia hardly owes an apology for
something that they don't control or instigate ...  (and yes,
the hygiene ninja *is* fairly random, though I think the gamer's
room gets targeted, but that's completely fair)

wasn't the original email message *forwarded* to this list off
the Arisia LJ - and wasn't it originated as a post by Kriss Barnhart - 
who isn't on the staff list and won't see any of these points
addressed?

Is someone *official* going to post an official reply from Arisia
staff on the LJ in answer to this? By official, I just mean 
someone who has been asked to do it by the 07 concomm or the 
majority of people here or some such...in case that wasn't
obvious.

$0.02, IMHO, pax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David D'Antonio [mailto:dda at dantonio.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:31 PM
> To: Walter Kahn
> Cc: staff at arisia.org; corp at arisia.org
> Subject: Re: [ST] Hygiene Ninja (Forwarded)
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I said elsewhere, if Collette is removed from staff over this, I  
> strongly suspect we will lose other volunteers, too (including me). I  
> see no reason for a public apology although Collette is certain free  
> to apologise privately if she so chooses.
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, no one was "assaulted" by the ninja and  
> I think the entire thing is a total over-reaction.
> 
> DDA
> 
> On Jan 16, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Walter Kahn wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Thank you Collette for coming forth and taking responsibility for  
> > this incident.
> >
> > I've known Collette for a very long time and I'm convinced she did  
> > not mean any harm. I personally don't think she should be removed  
> > from Staff. Just the fact that she took responsibility for it shows  
> > her character.
> >
> > Right now I think the most important thing we can do is for Arisia  
> > to make an official apology to this person and to any other person  
> > that has been assaulted by the "Hygiene Ninja". Also, I think that  
> > someone should email Kris and maybe even put an official apology on  
> > the Webpage if the Con Senior Staff and/ or Corporation sees fit to  
> > do that.
> >
> > From this point on, since we now know what happened,  I think this  
> > discussion should be moved to the Corporate list, or at the very  
> > least The Corporate list should be included in the discussions.
> >
> > I also want to thank Kris for bringing this to the Con's attention.
> >
> > I think Kris has said best as how I feel being a former social  
> > outcast so I won't get into that.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Walter Kahn
> > Arisia 2007 Innkeeper
> > innkeeper at arisia.org
> > hotel at arisia.org
> >
> > www.arisia.org
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Colette H. Fozard wrote:
> >
> > Just to clear the air: this did happen, and the person on Ops staff  
> > who "sicced" the hygiene ninja on the volunteer in question  
> > (assuming we are talking about the same person, which I imagine we  
> > are) was me.
> >
> > It was meant as a gentle way to get a serious point across.  The  
> > timing ended up a little off (from my recollection, it ended up  
> > happening in Operations), but I did not mean harm, and talked with  
> > the volunteer at about the time they were approached by the ninja  
> > and ensured that they understood the intention, and to also be sure  
> > they were being given the chance to relax and get a chance to  
> > shower/etc.  The volunteer in question said he had showered and was  
> > completely conscious of the issue, and mentioned that it was a  
> > particular piece of outerwear he was wearing that he wears during  
> > work and "can't get the smell out of it."  He removed said article  
> > of clothing later and all was fine.
> >
> > I know why I did it, I know that I meant no harm, and I believe  
> > that the staffer did not take any lasting insult from the  
> > incident.  I am very sorry that my action offended others and has  
> > caused people to look down upon the "hygiene ninja" (which in my  
> > mind has generally been a gentle and humorous reminder that in a  
> > hotel packed full of people, this issue is more important than usual).
> >
> > I leave it to the powers that be to decide whether this action  
> > necessitates my removal from staff, but I certainly felt I should  
> > let folks know that this incident did happen, though with not the  
> > malice assumed in the original complaint.
> >
> > --Colette H. Fozard
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Dave Belfer-Shevett <dbs at homeport.org>
> > To: jude-arisia at genericdomain.net
> > Cc: staff at arisia.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:02:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ST] Hygiene Ninja (Forwarded)
> >
> >
> > jude-arisia at genericdomain.net wrote:
> >> This was posted to the Arisia LJ community by con member (and  
> >> friend of
> >> mine and many of us) Kriss Barnhart, who requested it be sent to the
> >> staff list.  For the record, I agree with her and I think this is a
> >> great letter.
> >
> > I have replied to it as well, and as long as we're keeping this going,
> > here's my reply.
> >
> > I am not speaking in any official capacity, as this year I was not  
> > even
> > a div head. But as someone fairly involved in concom activities, I  
> > have
> > never ever heard that ops endorses or 'sics' the hygiene ninja on  
> > anyone.
> >
> > I have seen this character once or twice, and in fact mediated an
> > encounter where someone was offended by the targeting. Said ninja, and
> > several other staff members assured the jest was random, and was not
> > targeting specific people.
> >
> > I have no capacity to apologize on anyones behalf, but I will say that
> > it is MY impression you may be misinformed as to the circumstances
> > surrounding this encounter.
> >
> >     -dbs
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